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Kwint Sommer
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Posted - 2008.12.10 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 10/12/2008 21:59:10
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We have discovered an exploit involving starbases that made it possible for some players to gain an unfair advantage over others. We have taken measures to address this by removing the starbases used in the exploit. Additionally, assets gained from its use have been seized and bans levied against the players involved. We will continue to monitor the game for issues such as this one. We encourage players to create a petition if become aware of any activities which may permit others to gain an unfair advantage in the game.
It took you an hour to come up with that message? Ya, that's believable.
What aren't you telling us?
What was the scope of the abuse of this exploit? How long has it gone on? Who used it? What is assets are being confiscated?
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Kwint Sommer
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dragonz Fire
Originally by: Abrazzar
Rumor has it that some of the major alliances will get 80% of their players banned. Is this true?
no.
That's absurd. There's no way 80% of a major alliance knew without it leaking out.
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Kwint Sommer
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XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 10/12/2008 22:17:50
Originally by: Avalira
Where's the CSM? This sounds like a job for them.
Agreed.
Hence I posted this thread.
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Kwint Sommer
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
I see very few people thanking CCP for fixing this.
That's because it appears CCP royally ****ed up and allowed it too happen for 4 years. This could very well have reshaped 0.0.
The only way we'll know is if we demand a transparent and fully published investigation. Tell your CSM!
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Kwint Sommer
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XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: FlameGlow
Every honest person in trade chain got something in exchange for something, exploiters got something for nothing. In essence exploiters stole from everyone else in eve.
In all fairness, they did still have to buy the POS's which could get popped, set them up, empty them periodically and manage the logistic chains to keep them fueled and transport the goods to market. So they did still have to put non-trivial time into it.
Lets compare,
Legit Reactor Operator: (monthly)
Capital: 10B
Profit: 2B
Hours: 20
Exploiter
Capital: 2B
Profit: 8B
Hours: 5-10
So instead of making a 20% return monthly they made a 400% return and instead of making ~100m an hour they made ~1200M an hour. Oh and their barrier to entry and risks were vastly reduced.
Thus, they weren't really getting something for nothing; they were just making in excess of a billion an hour on a very small investment. Oh ya, and they ****ed up the entire economy and probably altered the balance of power in 0.0. Other than that, no bigy. 
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Kwint Sommer
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XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.14 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: CSM Bunyip
Hello all,
Meeting is about to begin. For anybody interested, the chat channel 'CSM Chat' is available if you'd like to speak to a delegate. I, and the rest of the CSM team, look forward to getting some answers for you.
This is all I've heard so far.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.14 22:33:00 -
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From the CSM Chat channel:
The CSM meeting finished. They are typing up a full transcript to be posted tomorrow (the delay is to allow CCP to add explanations where they see fit) and according to someone claiming to be Bunyip's alt (LVV acknowledge him as such), CCP is expected to publish a report in about a week detailing just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
According to Bunyip's alt there was less than a single EVE-wide day's market transactions in artificial ferrogel produced which is to say less than 3 trillion ISK which is good in that it represents a small portion of the economy but it's still potentially enough to have financed one hell of a war in 0.0 replete with titans and outposts. CCP is tracking through every ISK sent to find all those responsible. If a major alliance can be proven to have colluded with the exploiters they will have their assets seized accordingly, though none were specifically discussed.
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited. CCP believes alchemy will replace the artificial ferrogel in the market and we won't have a shortage.
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Kwint Sommer
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XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.15 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/12/2008 03:50:25
For those demanding a CSM update, had you read the last page you would have noticed this:
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
From the CSM Chat channel:
The CSM meeting finished. They are typing up a full transcript to be posted tomorrow (the delay is to allow CCP to add explanations where they see fit) and according to someone claiming to be Bunyip's alt (LVV acknowledge him as such), CCP is expected to publish a report in about a week detailing just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
According to Bunyip's alt there was less than a single EVE-wide day's market transactions in artificial ferrogel produced which is to say less than 3 trillion ISK which is good in that it represents a small portion of the economy but it's still potentially enough to have financed one hell of a war in 0.0 replete with titans and outposts. CCP is tracking through every ISK sent to find all those responsible. If a major alliance can be proven to have colluded with the exploiters they will have their assets seized accordingly, though none were specifically discussed.
Supposedly, the exploit was only widely abused in the last two months. Only ferrogel was mentioned as having been produced though it is possible that other reactions were exploited. CCP believes alchemy will replace the artificial ferrogel in the market and we won't have a shortage.
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